I really want EVs to be the future, but this is getting ridiculous...
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So tesla rolled the new roadster 2.0 off the back of a truck and unveiled all of its ridiculous specs. In november of 2017, world record acceleration world record quarter mile time, world record electric range. This looked like the new king of performance sports cars. So if you liked it, you could order a founder's edition on the spot that day to be in the first thousand.

You just have to wire transfer the full price of the car to tesla within 10 days, 250, 000, but now it's 2022 and that car is still not out yet, and so you just gave tesla a five-year interest-free loan of a quarter million dollars. Now, if you just put that exact same quarter million into an investment that actually earns you money, like let's say i don't know - buying tesla stock with that exact dollar amount. On that same day, then that would be worth more than four million dollars. Today, electric cars have a problem right now, so first, let me just say: i firmly believe electric cars are the future.

I think a lot of people would agree with that, but they're just that they're, the future, not the present so 99 of the cars on the road today are still gas cars, but the problem comes from how entirely unpredictable electric car launches have been for the past. Like half a decade to the point where, if you put your money down for one of these things, you really don't know exactly what you're going to be getting or when you're going to be getting it now. A big part of this is the fact that there are so many new companies trying this like. The car industry is mostly huge old companies, but tesla's success has convinced a lot of people.

They can spin up a new electric car company too, with their own little twist, but the thing is making new electric cars is really difficult and really expensive and starting a new electric car company is even more difficult and even more expensive. So i present to you the five-step guide for creating a new electric car company today and see if you can spot which one of these steps a lot of these new startups are getting stuck at so step. One make a clever name with a great idea for an electric vehicle, preferably something tesla hasn't already done yet and make a snazzy website to show off this cool idea. You have step two become a company.

You know you're going to need an enthusiastic ceo, a fun company culture, maybe even poach some people from other successful car companies and start making. This idea look very promising step three build one prototype, so this is the key. So you can, you can build more for bonus points, but all you really got to do is make one working version of this new vehicle. You know, if not all the high-tech features are working.

That's fine! You just got to demonstrate the ability to build an electric vehicle, then step four. You got ta, take this vehicle and use it to generate as much money as possible parade it around to generate attention. Show it off bring it to car, shows, let the press try. It and you got ta, put a pre-order button on your website, so people who, like the idea, can give you a little interest-free loan but, more importantly, you can use the number of pre-orders to get big investors interested in getting on board.
So you look how much promise and interest the idea has you wouldn't want to miss out on an opportunity to invest in a next big electric car company right then step five ship? It use the money you raised, build a factory, build the technology, become a car company and ship. It now spoiler alert pretty much all these companies get to step four, but the gap between step four and step. Five is massive. It's like that how to draw an owl tutorial like step.

One draw two circles step two draw the rest of the owl, but it's really hard. You have all these new companies coming up and making all this interesting stuff, but then not getting to the last step and that gap has created so much distrust and confusion about what to expect. When you put your money down for something you know it kind of reminds me of like smartphone launches. I've talked about sony before you know when apple or samsung announces a new phone, it's on stage and then two weeks later, it's in the stores, you can buy it and then sony's problem would be.

You know they'd announce a new phone and it would be kind of cool, but then it wouldn't come out for six months and so by the time it actually did get released. All the hype was gone. The interest was gone. People who were thinking about spending that money on that would spend it on other things and it would it would just fall apart.

Now. People are willing to wait a little bit longer in the car industry, but it's just getting kind of ridiculous. So i think my earliest experience with this was with faraday future. Some of you might have heard of them cool, name, very interesting company.

They nailed steps one and two, and they showed me a functional prototype five years ago in 2017. it was super cool. They showed it to me on the ces show floor and they drove people like me around in it and even did a 0-60 in 2.39 seconds. That is legit, not bad right, so they kind of nailed step three.

So then they moved on to try to generate as much money as possible. You know for the factory and the engineers and everything required to ship the thing and they've been stuck in this step ever since you know they did allow pre-orders, which are still open by the way you can still give faraday future one thousand five hundred dollars to Pre-Order the ff-91 and they even went public which helped with capital, so they've raised enough money and they've put together enough to be worth about two billion dollars now and that's still not nearly enough money to have actually made the factory and shipped anything will they ever Get to step five, will they ever actually ship an ff91? I remember another company called biten, they had a pretty cool prototype. I also saw them at ces. This was about four years ago and this again made a pretty big splash.
I remember all the headlines from the show awesome presentation. Their site, too, is full of great ideas for a pair of vehicles that are presented as very realistic and very achievable. They managed to raise 1.2 billion dollars from investors, but they've gone silent. They haven't tweeted in two years.

Their website hasn't changed since 2020 and they certainly haven't shipped any cars. And then canoe is another one of these companies. They might ship something so they were. They were founded in 2017 by some ex faraday future employees.

They eventually got hyundai and kia to announce they'd work with them on a new electric vehicle platform. They got listed on the stock exchange and valued at 2.4 billion dollars. Now hyundai and kia look like they've pulled out, but you can still go to canoe.com and pre-order. One right now, if you really want to, but they haven't shipped anything yet either.

Then, like a week and a half ago, i got an instagram ad for a company called atlas motors that i'd never heard of and out of morbid curiosity, i clicked it and it is kind of wild their home page. The home page immediately promises an electric vehicle platform that will help any company electrify their lineup and then a quad motor pickup truck with up to 500 miles of range that can charge up in 15 minutes, but the biggest brightest button up at the top of their Website is the invest button. So if you like the idea that they've shown you enough, you can get in at the ground level of this crowdfunding for what might be the next big thing. Apparently they're already worth nearly a billion dollars, so they say they're going to be using the funds for equipment and machinery and research and development and administrative expenses - and you know basically making a company, but when will atlas motors actually ship anything? I i don't know, that's a great question and if you really want to see what a failed blueprint of trying to get through these five steps looks like look at everything.

Lordstown motors has ever done so. Lordstown was founded in 2018 with this nice plan to make electric pickup trucks so they'd have in-hub motors in the wheels and they'd started. Around 52 thousand dollars seemed like a really cool truck nice idea. They'd made some nice pre-production models to parade around and gather interest from fans and potential investors.

You could find a lordstown endurance truck at almost every conceivable auto show, which is great for people pointing cameras at it. So they got to step three take people's money, and so they went over to gm and bought an old plant from them which got them interested enough. That gm decided to invest 75 million dollars in this promising new company. They went on to open, pre-orders and got over a hundred thousand pre-orders and then, with all this momentum, they went public as a company and their evaluation soared to over five billion dollars.
But then, unfortunately, an investigation found that most of these pre-orders were fabricated, not real, plus they allegedly paid a company to place around a thousand pre-orders sick. This company's pretty much been falling apart ever since lordstown today is somehow still worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but i don't think they're gon na be shipping anything anytime soon, but then the latest startup that you might have seen in the news was rivien. Now rivien looked like they had all the promise in the world, because not only did they have a really good idea, the r1t and r1s vehicles, and not only did they have a great presentation and a hungry target demographic and a cool ceo, but they actually seem To be getting real money together, so they had a contract from amazon. They got investment from ford, they were getting billions and billions of dollars together and that seemed like they might be getting enough to scrape together to jump over to step five.

They might finally leap to be able to ship these new vehicles. You know they got one of those pre-production trucks out to our studio here and i lived with it for two days and i was very impressed. I love the thing enough to put in my own pre-order: it had all kinds of cool features: working software and honestly it's one of my favorite evs i've driven to this point. But, as you know, it's easy to make just one: it's easy to make just one, but rivian's got enough money, so they had, they could do the r d, they could build the factory and they could finally start actually shipping some of these slowly but they're shipping.

Some real units to real users as we speak, but even rivien has had a bumpy road. You know with all the capital needed to start things up, plus the wrench of the pandemic and the supply chain shortages being thrown into things. Even they a bit underestimated. How much money they would need to make these trucks for people.

So a few days ago, rivien decided to raise the price of all their vehicles by around twelve to fifteen thousand dollars and that included all of the trucks that all those people had already preserved. So they wouldn't honor the price of those old pre-orders cue, massive amounts of backlash which totally understandable the truck just went from 70, something thousand to nearly 100 grand, but it must have been more blowback than they were actually expecting because rivien walked that back. Like 24 hours later so there is still a higher price for new orders. If you were to order today, but they let all the people who had those old pre-orders in stay in at the low price and they offered that low price back to people who'd canceled.

If they could just get back in line, please so even rivien isn't immune to all this chaos, but they have gotten the furthest in the five-step process, to the point where they're now delivering cars and they've promised, i think they've projected 25 000 cars to be delivered. This year for context, tesla delivered about a million cars last year, ford delivered about four million cars last year. So i think all this highlights how hard it is to get to step five on the master plan, but some of you might be thinking wait, okay. What? If you're not a startup, maybe you don't need to go through the same five-step process, but still even a lot of these more established companies are treating their new electric cars like kickstarters.
They might not just have to do the first two steps so these days i do see some volkswagen id4s. I see some mustang mock ease. I see some ionics out there on the road love to see it, but then there's the ford f-150 lightnings of the world, which they've definitely shown off they've brought one to the studio. Here you can pre-order one right now and they should hopefully be starting to ship.

In a few months, and then, of course, tesla an existing car company pretty much followed the exact same blueprint with the cyber truck. I remember the one famous working prototype doing some fun laps around new york city. You know the pre-orders climbing into the millions, which again is a few hundred million dollars of interest-free loans straight to tesla, still not sure when this thing's gon na ship, though, and then of course, i did the thing that i was talking about in the beginning of The video with the roadster that was back in 2017, it's been five years since they showed that car off and who knows when it's ever gon na ship. So the moral of the story.

Beware of these companies parading around working prototypes of electric cars, while also taking pre-orders with far away delivery, dates or unknown ship dates. Just that the combination of these things, you should pay attention to it. I'm still going to check out new electric cars when they get announced. I want to see what kind of new stuff is out there, but anytime, i see a new eevee announcement, i'm automatically going to add a couple years and several thousand dollars, no matter who it's from okay, that's it for my rant.

Let me know what you guys think of all these all these new electric car announcements we've seen over the past couple years in the comments section below we'll hang out there either way. That's been it thanks for watching catch, you guys later peace.

By MKBHD

15 thoughts on “The electric car pre-order problem”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ken, Chi Kin, Ho says:

    Have you see the Honda e ? It a very cool little electric car from own of the Japan car manufacturer. I think it’s a mass production car in Japanese now

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jai Williams says:

    Marques growing a plant in a Mac Pro is a disrespect and if I was Apple I personally wouldn’t have it.

    But I don’t work for them so it’s just funny.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jonathan I. Ezor says:

    Step 6: Be ready to support customers with repairs and parts following delivery. That's where even those who get to Step 5 may well fall down, and it's why it's still far riskier to buy an EV from a startup than an established manufacturer.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars bevtij says:

    Shame you didn't give a shout-out to Rimac Marques. Not firing out massive numbers I know but defo an EV startup who is arguably at step 5..

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeremy Villalobos says:

    I ordered my ID.4 close to two years ago after they announced it. Got the car last October 😁. It took a little over a year. From Feb 2020 to Oct 2021.
    Their deliveries will speed up once they open the Tennessee plant and they will offer more entry level trims.
    I always pick the best value products.
    On PC's, I was a fan of AMD processors because they always offer the better value product. Was because I don't upgrade PCs anymore because the improvement is insignificant for my use cases.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Lucas Foster says:

    This is definitely getting nuts. They're basically showing off concept cars, making wild claims about range, performance, tech, features etc. – which car makers have always done, the Citroen GT was meant to be a crazy 1,000hp hydrogen jet thing but that's not possible even now, but it didn't matter because it was a concept.
    But they then go on to SELL these concept cars. The final car, if it ever exists, won't have camera wing mirrors, it won't have that range, it won't have half the tech but after 5 years no one cares

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AJN Racing says:

    I haven’t hear you talk about the Mercedes EQXX concept which claims to be able to do 1000km+ on a single charge. It looks so good and it has a lot of interesting tech. I would like to know your opinion on it.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jesse Potter says:

    I totally agree with everything here. I was very reluctant to buy into EVs. The Kia EV6 caught my eye, so I studied the market for two months. Within that time, I began to realize Tesla is by and far the leader in the industry and no one is even close yet. Yes, they have their drawbacks. There are still quality control and service issues. However, no one else has technology Tesla has. I'm not talking about full self driving. I'm talking about battery efficiency. I placed a $250 non-refundable deposit and just wait. That's an okay buy-in for me. It keeps their orders from becoming overly inflated by wishy-washy consumers. You even have the option of placing your delivery on hold once or twice without consequence should something come up. All-in-all, Tesla is the only of the newer EV-only companies I would trust in this industry.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tr4nnel says:

    You can buy like 50 different electric cars from all brands and get your car delivered within 6 months. This is not a problem for 99% of the consumers.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CIN GRAPHX says:

    Wow! That’s nuts. So these people been waiting since 2017 and yet no mention of it coming out? Can u ask for your money back? That’s so messed up. Isn’t that like a fraud?

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Erik Nielsen says:

    The thing that stood out to me the most in the video was that EVs are the future, but the future isn't here yet. That really changed my perspective, and it's something I've never considered.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dounaven Preston says:

    They are not the future I enjoy the tech video of urs Zach’s and other on the tech of ev vehicles but they are not going to be the future. Why one the mining of the lithium makes a mine that is massive kills wild life, two not stable I know someone who works in a lithium mine and they can test that lithium is not safe for anything can’t recycle and destroys anything it touches, three the only clean energy replacement for gas is hydrogen. Hydrogen engines provide same power or close to diesel and gas engines except it puts oxygen in the air.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Captain iGlue says:

    Cars arent the future. Neither combustion nor electric. Driving a 3 tonne vehicle with mostly 1 person isnt ecologically sensible, independently from the engine it has. Hands down…

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Raymond says:

    People who put down $250k for some car that might not come out can afford to lose that money. Like Ferrari has one model you can purchase But cannot take it home.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jakob says:

    You Marquez have been one of the biggest ambsssadors of these companies.

    so use "yourself" as the posterchild, instead of putting a picture of this former US president Trump.

    Can only imagine how much money you lubricated down their channels.. and likely why you also are in such a hurry to take the high pedestal now.

    as I'm guessing you sensing some backlash.. hey Marquez I put my money down for this car you were lubricating and promoting as the best thing under the sun.. thx boy, for getting me scr3wed… I hope you laugh all the way to the bank.. freaking snake-oil seller.

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